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heavensqueen ([personal profile] heavensqueen) wrote in [community profile] yuletide_coal2014-12-08 01:48 pm

Burn it down

This post is inconvinient in all time zones... if you belong to the Cult of Nice!


Writing Post: http://yuletide-coal.dreamwidth.org/1652.html

Default Deadline is on December 13, Gifts are due on December 20

Finally, a new post!

(Anonymous) 2014-12-08 12:59 pm (UTC)(link)
First?

Ahem, I mean it's about bloody time!

(Anonymous) 2014-12-08 01:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Fuck the cult of nice. We need to begin a cult of honesty and a cult of constructive feedback. How in the hell will some of these shitty less experienced writers improve their technique without honesty?

(Anonymous) 2014-12-08 01:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah and fuck commenters who think "This would have been better with Other Pairing" or "You have the wrong interpretation of how Time Travel would work" counts as constructive feedback. Someone needs to teach people who think they know how to give constructive feedback what that actually is.

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here's some constructive feedback

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Summarize your fic in the worst way possible!

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A zombie meets a fortune-telling baker who gives her (the zombie) her heart's desire.

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I am a fragile rose, so I need to steel myself before diving into a beta-commented document. I do thank my betas and after editing and licking my wounds for a few days, I usually put myself back together and get back to working.

The problem is of course that I'm also trying to write All the Treats, and know that if I send them off for beta now, I will come to a screeching halt.

Any other thin-skinned nonnies have similar issues? How do you work around them?

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Don't use a beta? Lots of people don't. Especially if they're short and/or treats.

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Of course it was, coalie. Elyn was an amazing mod and she was always helpful and understanding. She also actually signed off on her emails, unlike the current group of asshats running Yuletide.

Elyn, please come back!


bull fucking shit. gay fucking dragons happened on her watch and she let the assholes who wrote that slip away like they were shit and it's not like that's the first time she fucked up. elyn isn't some saint.

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Elyn was pretty competent all round, and she was likeable, but she upheld the cult of nice like no one's business.

_Coal happened under her watch, and there is a reason for that.

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Yay!! Noooooo!

(Anonymous) 2014-12-08 03:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Yay:

I finished a fic that's like 5,000 words long!

Noooo:

It's a treat. I still have to write my shitty assignment. Wahhhh.

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If you think your assignment's shitty, default and post the treat.

just defaulted and it feels so good

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I feel sort of bad, because I could have written something that wasn't coal, but my recip gave basically no details except a ship and clearly wanted a genre I'm not good at (like asking for grimdark when I mostly write bittersweet). But now I'm way less stressed out and I can give treats/dentistry all the attention they deserve!

Anyone else squeezing in their default before the deadline?

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Waiting til the 13th, but yup.

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Dentist ban enforced!

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http://yuletide-admin.livejournal.com/181103.html

A problem with Pinch Hit #54 was brought to our attention - thank you - when we sent it out a few days ago.

After investigating, we have permanently banned NormaJeane, AlexandraMarie, and eight other accounts signed up to Yuletide this year. We have uncovered significant evidence to show that these ten accounts belong to the same person. Signing up to Yuletide with multiple accounts is against the rules.



(Srsly, ten socks all belonging to the same person? No wonder she got her letters mixed up.)

I feel pretty bad for those authors whose recips just got banned this close to deadline, though.

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On the one hand, I'm glad they cracked down on this person because they were so blatant. Ten accounts, wtf, no wonder she got mixed up.

On the other hand, sucks to be the people who were writing for them.

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Treating when you haven't consumed all the fandom

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I recently got into a fandom that is long and mostly episodic. There's little character growth and almost no overarching plot. There are some events that get called back to from time to time but you can largely jump in any place and still get the characters. It would be impossible for me to see all the episodes before Yuletide but I really like the fandom. If you have a fandom like this, would it bother you if I wrote you a treat?

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You don't have to see every episode of Seinfeld to write a good fic. You just have to have seen enough to be confident in your characterization.

In other words, no, I wouldn't be bothered.

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What would you change about Yuletide if you had modly powers?

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Right now? I'd get a minion to write my story for me.

(Seriously, defaulting with no one to judge you for it is a perk of modding.)

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Let's get another recipe thread going!

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What sort of recipes do you like?

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SHIT.

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So I'm writing a treat. Things are going well... ~1800 words in.

Reread the prompt in detail to make sure things are going well only to find a line I didn't notice before.

You can do this thing and this thing and even THIS, but please don't do that (they're all dark themes so it's not like pls don't write in present tense).

Guess how this fic is supposed to end.

WITH THAT.

So what do I do, _coal? I love the logical conclusion of that, it works well for the fic I am writing... and I can't see this ending any other way and with nearly 2k in the tank, I feel like I am committed.

But at the same time, I want to write this as a treat, the requestor inspired my prompt after all, but they don't want this one thing.

And no, I can't gift it to someone else. It's a rare pair, unfortunately.

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Could you write them a different fic and finish this one the way you like? You could always give it to Untherious. :-)

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What do you hope to accomplish in those eleven days?

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Like seven treats minimum. Going to have time to write all damn day starting Weds. Come at me, fic!

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Length of YT stories

(Anonymous) 2014-12-09 08:23 am (UTC)(link)
Nonnies, what do we think of receiving YT stories of between 1000-3000 words?

My main assignment is at 2500 (the treat I've already posted is more than 7000 words, so go figure), but I don't think I can add any more to it.

The story stands well as it is at 2500, but I feel a bit bad submitting something so short. But if I add anything more to this story, it'll be coal.

How short does a YT fic have to be before it's too short, guys?

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I wrote a Yuletide fic last year, under 1500 words, that was really well-received.

I'd rather have a good 2500 word fic than a 5000 word fic where half of it is obvious filler.

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n00b question

(Anonymous) 2014-12-09 09:21 am (UTC)(link)
I was going to sign up for Yuletide for the very first time this year, but work got in the way.

If I'm a YT n00b can I still sign up for an AO3 account and write treats or stories for madness?

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Yup. You can write fics for the main collection too.

If they're going in the main collection, they have to be 1000 words or more and you need to put them in before December 25. There'll be a warning in the comm when the collection is closing.

Or madness too, yeah, but madness doesn't get as much attention.

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(Anonymous) 2014-12-09 10:34 am (UTC)(link)
Goodbye NormaJeane
Though I never knew you at all
You set up many sock accounts
And left us all appalled

The coal detectives found you
And they worked out what you'd planned
They shared their notes with morbane
And they quickly got you banned

And it seems to me you wrote no gifts
And were generally a leech
First you set a chain of socks up
Then defaulted each

And your methods were ingenious
But you have got no shame
Hope I don't treat you when you're back
Under another name

(Anonymous) 2014-12-09 03:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I lolled, nonny.

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I shound change my name

(Anonymous) 2014-12-09 10:41 am (UTC)(link)
Call me Kitty!

I couldn't write on the fandom I matched on, but I somewhat knew another one. So I watched some clips, did some googleing, and wrote some inner monologue.

Sorry, for the coal, recip, but I can't risk not getting any story myself, as it's the only gift waiting for me come Christmas.

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There's over a week left. Stop fucking around on coal and go write a better story.

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(Anonymous) 2014-12-09 11:53 am (UTC)(link)
This is probably going to sound like wank. I'm sorry nonnies!

I think we all know that introducing some sort of system to weed all the shitty writers out of YT would be a bit like communism: it at least seems like a decent idea in writing but in practice those in power would do nothing but abuse their position and it would all fall in a heap very quickly.

But is there anyway to encourage YT writers to write the best fic they possibly can given their abilities and experience? Is beta reading the answer? Or writers' workshop posts where writers can contribute their work for a second opinion, maybe anonymously?

(I realize writing very subjective. Plenty of people think writing that wins a Pulitzer is wank, but I think most people can agree on what truly shit writing is.)

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You would have to allow for people to match way more specifically than they do now. I got matched on a ship I can't write for someone who only wants that rare pair and has indicated that anything less is coal.

If there had been the ability to check "gen" with said fandom and said characters, I wouldn't have gotten this person.

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WTF is Yulechat like and is it worth my time?

(Anonymous) 2014-12-09 12:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I've done a few Yuletides but have never entered the weird world of YT chat. Some people have described it like a circle jerk full of wankers, stupid arguments and neverending stream of consciousness posts. What's it really like?

Re: WTF is Yulechat like and is it worth my time?

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Not nearly that exciting, tbh.

Depending on your timezone and the time of year it can be really quiet.

When it's busy there will be discussions the same sort of things we talk about on Coal (betas, ODAO, letters, swaps, wordcounts, etc) albeit with less insults being slung around.

If there's no new Yuletide stuff to talk about it'll just be general chit-chat about random fannish stuff and not-too-identifying IRL stuff.

Just come in and lurk if you're curious. Only about a quarter of the listed participants are actively talking at any one time, so it's not like you'll stand out.

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Well, that was unexpected - your fic surprising you

(Anonymous) 2014-12-09 12:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I appear to be writing choose your own adventure porn. How. Why.

Second fic will be needed in case recip hates. Pretty sure they won't. But bears.

Seriously, brain, choose your own adventure porn?

Re: Well, that was unexpected - your fic surprising you

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A+ Would read!

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And I remember thinking

(Anonymous) 2014-12-09 01:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Are we out of the woods yet?
Are we out of the woods yet?
Are we out of the woods yet?
Are we out of the woods?
Are we in the clear yet?
Are we in the clear yet?
Are we in the clear yet?
In the clear yet, good.

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I hope this means you're writing Kaylor fic.

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Are you allowed to co-author a treat with another writer?

(Anonymous) 2014-12-09 01:49 pm (UTC)(link)
We're considering writing it together but it is it actually allowed?

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* We're considering writing it together but is this actually allowed?

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Yuletide Glossary

(Anonymous) 2014-12-09 02:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Yuletide kind of has a language all its own, and I've noticed a few newbies being confused about some of the terminology and abbreviations we use here. Let's have a thread where we define some common terms, and then we can link people to it when they're confused! (New coalies, feel free to ask for definitions if we miss something.)

bears: the anxiety that attacks you when you're having trouble with your Yuletide fic or the deadline is approaching faster than expected.

dentist: a sockpuppet account used to sign up for Yuletide more than once. Comes from a thread on _coal a few years ago where someone joked about getting their dentist to sign up with them. Related terms with the same meaning: dental hygienist, valet. A group of sock accounts may be called a dental practice.

DYW: stands for Dear Yuletide Writer. A name for the letters many participants write to give their writers and other participants extra details about what they'd like to receive.

hippo: in the yulechat IRC channel, a designated go-between that finds beta readers for writers who need them while keeping everyone anonymous.

ODAO: stands for Optional Details Are Optional. Refers to the fact that you're only required to write a fic for your recip that includes the characters they requested; you aren't obligated to include any other details they ask for (pairings, tropes, headcanons, etc.).

swaps: exchanges of books, candy, and drinks run by yuletide participants for yuletide participants. Signing up for swaps is a totally separate thing from signing up for yuletide, and happens on the yuletide community.

treat: an extra fic written to fill the request of someone who is not your assigned recipient.

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(Anonymous) 2014-12-09 02:45 pm (UTC)(link)
As a newbie to both YT and coalies, I cannot thank you enough for this! You win all the interwebs, nonnie!

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What are other fic exchanges other than YT?

(Anonymous) 2014-12-09 06:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Other than YT, what are some of the other fanfic exchanges out there?

The only other one I really know of is fandom_stocking

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there is only yuletide

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Genuinely only signed up once ...

(Anonymous) 2014-12-09 06:30 pm (UTC)(link)
... yet I find myself writing a protracted dentistry scene in my first chapter, and now I feel that any Coalies who read it will be exchanging knowing glances.

Re: Genuinely only signed up once ...

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Hmm. Better go the safe route, and opt for choose-your-own-adventure porn. :-)

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