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Crouching Coalie Hidden Wanker

Yeah, I know, I have one job here, and I fail at it

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Especially when compared to a fic that uses your prompts/likes. Can you really blame someone for loving the fic that dotes on them vs. ones that don't?

But what if they're noncommenters in general except for their gifts which they lavishly praise?

What if they have kudosed a fic of yours in the wild but didn't comment on the fic you wrote using their prompt and wasn't gifted to them?

And none of the ones I requested had the ships I wanted!

Sometimes I seriously think about starting a drama fan works site, since it's so hard to find anything, even with all the fans out there

I would love it if someone did that!

New Anon

It seems off to think a note from one commenter is going to mean an author will turn out more material to that person's taste. In YT, an author will write to request, but ODAO. In regular fandom, they may have no reason to consider anyone's interests but their own. Commenting on a fic might result in the author choosing to make something else, but that's just not the same as a gift constructed to request.

I also remember some people really liked the Darker Than Black fic that went against the recip's DNW for deathfic and drew wank for supporting an author that ignored recip's wishes-- which is just one reason for a person to be wary of commenting on stories not gifted to them where they don't know the recip or their preferences.

Basically, there are so many reasons people write or don't write, whether fic or comments, the line to the idea that only kudosing or reading logged out is depriving yourself of fic isn't clear to me.

Okay, you hate filthy casuals. Maybe a massive newbie-filled exchange isn't the best place for you?

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It's especially frustrating because I'm always hoping to be matched to her, and never am.

I don't hate casuals, but I am tired of people in this thread acting they should be able to reap all the gifts, but they never want to comment on anything that isn't explicitly gifted to them, because they're ~not obligated~.

Would it be breaking yuletide anonymity to just ask your friend (privately and avoiding references to a specific prompt or fandom) how they would feel about this situation? You're friends, you should be able to communicate.

Where has anyone said they should get all the gifts?

Specific prompts from A's letter go to A. B's prompts go to B. If you use C's prompts, give them to C.

Nobody is obligated to read around the collection if they don't have the time or drive. If you don't gift it to them you can't expect them to see it or read it, which means no comments or kudos from them.

If you're mad that you have never seen C around during the rest of the year, don't treat them and don't use their prompts.

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I keep seeing all these comments back and forth and I just keep thinking, why don't they ask their friend "Hey, I really like one of your prompts--would you mind if I use it for my assignment since my recipient didn't give me any information?"

But what if they're noncommenters in general except for their gifts which they lavishly praise?

Look, if I'm writing in those fandoms for a while and they don't show they like my writing in some way, I'm going to assume they don't like it and spend time writing for someone who does. Sure, maybe they just don't read that fandom regularly or check the tags that often, but with all this angst about commenting, I don't want to create an obligation for them with a fic they didn't like.

What if they have kudosed a fic of yours in the wild but didn't comment on the fic you wrote using their prompt and wasn't gifted to them?

Can't comment on this part. I was referencing this comment:

https://yuletide-coal.dreamwidth.org/8618.html?thread=32992170#cmt32992170

I have so little time for reading fic that I won't ever see it unless personally recced by a friend or if it's part of an exchange I'm participating in. If you've written the fic of my dreams outside of those, then I'll never even know it exists. It has nothing to do with you or the subject of the fic.

DA

But that's putting their friend on the spot - I know I'd feel obligated to say "Of course I don't mind", even if I did.

AYRT

If you're mad that you have never seen C around during the rest of the year, don't treat them and don't use their prompts.

Have you not been following this subthread? It's not about using someone's prompts, it's about not treating someone if they never acknowledge the other stuff you've written for the fandom.

"I would prefer it if you didn't."

Yup. It's the same as if they anonymous asked Treat Recip A if they were okay with the author using their prompts for Assigned Recip B. What else can you say?

No? Like a normal person capable of answering questions their friends asks them about what they feel comfortable with.

I don't think many Treat Recip As would say yes in this scenario.

As far as I have been able to tell, this whole subthread is still about the prompts.

We are saying that IF YOU USE SOMEONE'S PROMPT you should gift it to them. The argument I've been having with you has been under the assumption that you don't want to gift the fic to them because they never comment BUT YOU STILL WANT TO USE THEIR PROMPT for your main recip.

If what you are saying is that your main assignment is done and you're looking for people to treat but you refuse to treat C because they've never praised your work before (oneway or another), then I (and I suspect nobody else in this thread) has an issue with that.

Ask coalies to help you!

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I don't care what reasons you have to not treat someone for! The conversation in this thread is about fic spawned from prompts given to others.

By that same logic, one should never ask any favor of their friends because they're obligated to do it.

sa

I (and I suspect nobody else in this thread) have no* issue with that.

that is why you don't ask a tonne of favors from you friends, yeah. take interpersonal communication 101 and they cover it.

Then I guess you only write treats for people who are heavily active in your fandoms and ignore everyone who's new or more casual. Which strikes me as a weird way to decide who to treat in Yuletide but you do you.

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