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You know, the hilarious thing is how thoroughly she did this to herself. This would have happened to her in every single mod regime Yuletide's had.

And it's not the writing of the DNW. The mods frequently give no shits at all about story content matching the recipient's wishes, as has been proven again.

It's that she violated Cult of Nice. Note that the mods had to be aware of the situation with the DNW before this, but they didn't go after her until that public post shitting on her recipient. If she'd kept mum and polite she'd have gotten away with it, but she had to publicly play the martyr.

the mods had to be aware of the situation with the DNW before this

I just don't believe this is true. The mods as mods aren't aware of anything until it's formally communicated to them, whether by the recip or by a "concerned citizen".

The fact Morbane goes here isn't relevant. She isn't here in her official capacity, and most of us wouldn't want her to be. It would be utterly antithetical to the purpose of the comm (ie free wheeling critique) if we all thought every single development was being reported back to the mods for compilation in some kind of naughty and nice spreadsheet.

If something's worth reporting, report it. If you just want to bitch about it, bitch away. But don't mistake one for the other.

Okay, Morbane.

Yeah, bullshit.

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I was being complimentary by assuming the mods knew their heads from their asses and would be aware of potential obvious landmines that were getting a lot of play on the communities I'd be keeping my eye on to try and catch shit before it went nuclear, but if you want to insist they're incompetent and blinkered, by all means.

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Coal is not an official report mechanism. Nor should it be.

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I'm amused by how that brought all the Mod Defense Squad coalies out to ferociously argue a point that wasn't even made. You do know mods can--and should--be aware of things even before the Official Action Required level, right?

But yuletide has almost two thousand participants. That is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too many to be checking up on individually, and if they did, I would feel kind of uncomfortable about it, too. The mod team has a responsibility to put in rules they can enforce, and enforce them when they're alerted. Not stalk a complaining anon meme for possible leads.

Are you just ignoring that Morbane reads here anyway, not to stalk for "possible leads"?

Reading casually and privately making note of possible problems is different to relying on coal. And, similar to the way people talking in chat near the end of the writing period are often just venting their stress, _coal posts shouldn't be taken entirely seriously or acted on instantly.

Who ever said they should rely on it? But when Morbane is here, reading and posting in threads about DNW violations for the popcorn, there's really no way to say that the mods don't or can't know about it without the recipient speaking up.

Now I am not saying that Morbane shouldn't popcorn the drama like the rest of us. But I do think that the mods have a responsibility to take action on someone like Shayheyred, who fucked her recipient over twice and called her a bitch for it publicly, before she ruins other people's yuletides. No matter how they find out about it or whether the recip forgives it this time or not. You remember that the cougar blood drinking person forgave and defended Untherius, but they still did something about him.

True.

I was around when Untherius wrote the HMC fic and the mods were heavily criticized then too - he pretty much did the same thing next year in Jurassic Park; I believe he wrote the recip a DNW. They have always been pretty so-so dealing with people who break the rules but don't get reported on.

After two years + of evidently trying to get it across to Untherius (or better matching behind the scenes) he seems to have stopped, but the mod team doesn't really respond to stuff the recip is okay with.

They did at least double assign the next year's recip so that they were guaranteed to not be stuck with only Untherius DNW fic.

Neither approach seems perfect - either they pro-actively hunt for people breaking the rules, and make some mistakes, or they let the recipients and fandom at large report problems to them, in which case the recipient might feel like they, instead of the mods, are instigating punishment for their author.

Look at what happened with placeholders this year. The mods clearly went looking for them, but they still missed some. At least one person said earlier in coal that the mods sent their assignment out to pinch hit due to a misunderstanding about whether it fit the prompt or not. That was dumb, and more of that happening would be awful. That implies that mods should wait for the recipient to contact them, because if the mods judge whether a fic is suitable or not, they'll mess up in some proportion of cases. But there are problems with that too, especially if a recipient is very shy or forgiving.

I think mods should absolutely look for pickles/lorem ipsum/copypasta/1000 word fic thate ends like Candlejack. Anything deeper than that they'd have to have an actual subteam of mods for, which could get pretty unwieldy and is, you're right, probably unfeasi

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So you're saying mods should ignore what is blatantly there because they weren't told about it in an official capacity even though they saw it stated here? It's one thing if we knew Morbane wasn't here, plausible deniability, but we know she's here. She anonfailed just last night on a thread about this.

Besides which, Morbane certainly uses her position in the chat to tell people to default. Don't tell me that's not official enough. It's one thing if trialia or some no named person in chat told someone maybe they'd feel better if they defaulted. It's another if it's a mod like Morbane.

When did she tell someone to default?

mikeneko. The thread is somewhere on the last post.

http://yuletide-coal.dreamwidth.org/5062.html?thread=18269638#cmt18269638

That's not telling anyone to default.

That's not the only time either. The anti-mn person was just the only person who cared to c&p.

That's actually exactly what I'm saying. My opinion is that mods have no business acting on smack talk on anon comms. Take it to name space or suck it up.

I don't have an opinion on chat. Never been there, don't know the culture.

She and mikeneko are friends though, aren't they? That's different from talking to a random. They know each others tones.

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Hey, you guys found someone to have the wank you wanted to have. Noisemakers and party hats all around.

If the DNW was only in the recip's letter, then technically writing it wasn't against the rules (just a massively douchey application of ODAO), so there wasn't a reason for the mods to wade in until she posted criticising her recip.