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It's always coalest before the dawn

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I just posted my assignment and went through requests looking for things to treat and...none of the fandoms I really want to write for have any prompts! One just lists characters.

There is precisely one treat I can write. I'll have fun writing it, but I was hoping to be able to do more.

I've been lucky to get wonderful fic in this fandom before (maybe even fic you've written me) and I have loved all of it and am greedy for more. Discounting bucket offers, there's one other fandom we could have matched on and I want it just as much.

Coalie, this is basically everything I ever wanted to see in a Big Eden fic. Also, you should totally ask for it if you want it; anyone in the fandom who doesn't want to break up their canonical OTP can just...not offer Dean. (Though it wouldn't hurt to have your letter up early if you do end up requesting Big Eden, to make the chances of a mismatch even slimmer.)

You don't know that for sure. There could've been bucket offers for your third request.

They don’t. Prob just shit stirring.

I have avoided offering fairy tales since it seems like every year there's at least one odd request.

For once, I have no idea what you're writing and I AM THRILLED.

All this person's requests are sibcest.
https://merelymerrily.tumblr.com/post/178879082104/yuletide-2018

In particular, they request incest for The Boxcar Children, which is on Project Gutenberg
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/42796

AYRT

A few of us who hang out together on a dedicated page requested and offered our mutual fandom. I don’t have one of them as my recip, so that’s okay. But there’s one of them who, while we agree on most things, part ways hard on the ship question. If she has me, I just hope she is kind. :)

https://singedsun.dreamwidth.org/469.html

has both Haunting of Hill House tv show for Theo/Nell or Theo/Shirley

and We Have Always Lived in the Castle - Shirley Jackson for Merricat/Constance

Two "Borgias" Cesare/Lucrezia letters this year:

https://yeats.livejournal.com/334227.html
https://devils-diner.livejournal.com/2886.html

The show's on Netflix iirc.

A similar comment in a different Venom letter:

"Also, in the comics, the symbiotes can feed off of chemicals in chocolate, which would be a fun discovery to play with for the first time one of them gives the other a box of chocolates. (Note that I am only familiar with limited comics and cartoon canon, but don't mind various details to be thrown in for flavor. Just warning you that I might not recognize a clever reference when it's right in front of my face.)"

https://anialove.dreamwidth.org/1163.html

I'll be happy whether you write my prompts or go totally ODAO. I like getting surprises!

AYRT

It's a fictionalized version of a specific person. That's a step removed from the real person. Just like Ed Kemper in Mindhunter. In the context of that show, the character is just a character.

Not to say I don't think she's gross, because I do. I'm not arguing for that but arguing against the RPF and the asinine notion that it ought to be allowed because "slippery slope."

AYRT

Thanks - I think I thought you were arguing against ars_belli's nomination/request this year, but instead you're drawing a distinction between "Second World War RPF" and Conspiracy, right?

You're making it very easy on yourself if you just say "oh, it's one step removed, that's okay then". Either RPF Is sketchy, then fictional canons about actual real people are exactly the same and writing fic about them is sketchy by association. Or fictionalization of real people in books and movies is okay. But then RPF is okay too. You can't have it both ways, be all "well, someone else did it first" and wash your hands in innocence.

AYRT

I'm arguing against Nazi RPF (or serial killer, or rapist, or whatever RPF) and making a distinction between that and characters in fictional media. I don't think it's unclear.

SA

If Conspiracy isn't a documentary, then its characters are fictionalize versions of real people I guess? Is that the issue? I think fictionalized version is the key.

I wouldn't be against mods banning that, or Ed Kemper from Mindhunter, or the serial killers from AHS:Hotel *personally*, but they've chosen not to and obviously see a distinction between the real people and their fictionalized versions in fictional media. *shrug*

Idgaf about her nomination this year. I was more replying to the arguments that if Nazi RPF is banned it's a slipper slope to everybody's kinks being banned from Yuletide. Bullshit argument.

DA

I agree with this in the sense that conceptually, they aren't very different. Saying that you can write fic of a person if they're a character in someone else's fiction is indeed like saying "you can only do RPF of them if someone else did RPF first."

On the other hand, I can see it being useful for a rule - if a rule is needed - because it allows you to identify more clearly what's okay and what isn't.

SA

It IS different, but I'll admit it's a subtle difference, and this is coming from someone who thinks all RPF is sketchy. Doesn't mean I'm going to push for it to be banned from Yuletide. Nazi RPF however, yes, of course that should be banned.

I'm still in awe anybody argued against that. What a world.

Sure. But any exchange or place that blanket bans RPF unless based on fictionalized canons would be an exchange I'd give a wide berth, and I'm glad that this isn't a thing.

AYRT

You're not SA though. (I think this was meant to go under your comment above?)

A fictionalized person in a 2-hour film or TV series, unless it's a documentary, is not the same as that real person. If I write Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter fan fiction, I'm not writing about actual Abe Lincoln, but the character in the novel or movie. It's a limited canon.

If I write about John Wayne Gacy in the context of that stupid serial killer dinner on AHS: Hotel (that prompted be stop watching that show), it's in the context of that show about that fictionalized version of him. Writing Ed Kemper and Holden in Mindhunter is the fictionalized character of Ed Kemper in the context of that show. It may be a subtle difference, but it is one.

Fictional canons about real people aren't the same, no. And again, no, NAZI or Serial Killer RPF in a damn holiday fan fiction exchange is not the same as fictionalization of real people in books in movies. That's absurd.

I would actually be okay with RPF not existing. Totally don't get it.

People writing Legolas being raped and brutalized eternally, as so, so many have, hits me a lot differently than people writing Orlando Bloom suffering the same, for big instance.

It's all sketch, IMO. I know that's an unpopular opinion so I just try to avoid RPF spaces.

Yes! Sorry.

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