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It's always coalest before the dawn

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Maybe I should wish Nazis didn't think I existed? Then they would never have targetted those like me and considered us a lesser level of human being.

or the right of existence

It's RIGHT THERE.

AYRT

I have no words. You are an idiot who can't read, and you are a racist who thinks genocide is a nifty little rhetorical trick that you can use in service of other arguments because hey, it's not like anyone targeted by the Nazis is actually still around, right?

Can you give me a source on those feminist-run trans extermination camps?

AYRT

If you have never seen arguments that people (overwhelmingly usually targetted at women) should "re-examine their genital preferences", I envy you. I certainly wish I hadn't.

Yes, I've seen that argument. From men and from both cis and trans women. It's awful and despicable either way, and it reeks of entitlement that reminds me of the whole incel thing. But you know, if I would start judging the entire gender group of the person who says it, there would be literally no one left because in every group, there are people who think women somehow owe them sex.

nayrt

Then call it out when you see it, so that we don't have to, and don't tell us that it's not a real problem.

in every group, there are people who think women somehow owe them sex

Sure. Why not broaden it even more? In every group, there are people who think people owe them sex. That's nice and non-gendered now.

Coalie, coalie, you can't just quote your own comment as evidence of a problem.

AYRT

Oh FFS, none of this is about Nazis the 1930's, as there's no need to eradicate them because most of them are dead and buried or old enough that they will die soon enough. But if you look at current events, but there are white supremacists rising almost everywhere. And yes, a lot of the people they target are (luckily) still around. It's happening right now, and this "oh, no, don't say you want to eradicate them, this choice of words is really harmful" stance you're employing while they're out there, marching for a white, straight, abled Europe / USA and would be happy to eradicate people who don't fit the bill, is not helping.

It wouldn't have been weird if it had been just about Nazis, neo or otherwise, But when you post about wanting to eradicate the lesbians *cough* feminazis *cough* TERFs, of course people are going to look askance at you. Why do you think the gays and Jews are so sensitive about the eradication language to begin with?!

I know this probably came off as saying-it-just-to-say-it in my letter, but despite the absurd length of my optional details, I meant it: 1k of whatever you want to write me, and we're good. Even if you're karrenia_rune, I promise to do my absolute best to leave you a reasonably substantial comment that discusses something I liked about your gift for me without lying. *thumbs up*

+1. I'd already started consuming it when I decided to offer it, but I'm not done yet. And thinking about picking up a second to write another gift, while I'm at it.

You can also visit _coal in an incognito window/another browser logged out if you use DW a lot logged in.

Only HQ can ban you so your odds are slim. If coalcube banned you from their personal account, would you still be able to comment on their posts in a community? :|a The real purpose of banning should make the answer yes but idk?

AYRT

Except I never conflated lesbians with TERFs and have literally never seen them conflated except in an effort to stir wank. I honestly didn't think "all TERFs need to DIAF" (to avoid "eradicated" since it's clearly a loaded term) as a controversial statement. Possibly because whenever I encountered the term TERF before, it always meant "cis women actively fighting against trans rights" and not "lesbians who don't want to have sex with a person who has or ever had male genitalia", and that's how I use it.

I'm not referring to the canons, but the people who created them. They are Japanese Nationalists who glorify the past, and write shit that perpetuates those ideas of Japanese superiority over their neighbors and how they were victims because the west made them do it.

Then Japanaphiles get butthurt when you mention this shit, and then say things like, "get over it."

You wouldn't say that to a Holocaust survivor. We don't allow terrible people in rpf, or white suprematist shit, so why is it any different?

Yes, and for a lot of treats.

Yes, I know. I didn't say it was THIS exchange. I was just pointing out what would be hypocritical. That was it.

Because if we started disqualifying canons because of creators being assholes we'd have nothing to write about.

NA

While it wasn't 20+ hours in my case, I've picked up a canon to write an extra gift for a recipient who intimidated me before, and I have to say, I'm glad I did - they liked both fics a lot and were extra delighted when they realized the same person had written them. Unless the AYRT's schedule is seriously punishing between now and December, they've got more than enough time to pick up a canon that length and still write a solidly excellent fic for the canon they already know.

I believe that that's how you use it, but I don't believe that that's the only way you've seen anyone else use it.

its because they clearly just want to stir wank. don’t let them redefine terf, and stop debating with them ffs there was a whole thread about not treating the nazi platform as equal to your own ideas because it makes it seem a legitimate peer. just let their stupid ass comments remain as them shouting nonsense into the wind with no one taking them seriously enough to reply

0/10

I see "TERF" as kind of like "Zionist", in that both terms do describe an actual political position, but those uses have been so eclipsed by their use as dogwhistles to refer to minority demographic groups that I'm just not going to trust anyone who describes other people as TERFs or Zionists, or talks about what they'd like to do to TERFs or Zionists.

Is a gift.

Hey recip, thanks for letting me know to put minimum possible effort into your 1100 word fic!

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