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Agreed, and I'm a hockey RPF person who wants it to be ineligible on the whole -- it's a medium sized fandom, and if people want to get more fic about rarely-written characters, they should make up a single fandom exchange just for that. The dance around doing it by teams was absurd, especially since it let in Benn/Seguin, the third juggernaut pairing that's only grown in popularity since noms.

I think the percentage of a fandom tag that's made up by Yuletide fics should be taken into account, for fandoms on the line. I'm in another sports fandom that also made the cut, and while my team would still make it by number of stories (though people aren't consistent about using the team tag), it's not like we depend on Yuletide to get new stories or readers. Even for rare hockey teams, I bet Yuletide has not been a sustaining force.

Maybe there are other ways to divide up hockey, but I think by teams is just kind of strange, especially if often people are not even using the team tag. If you are correct that people in the fandom don't even bother to use it, why does it make sense to divide the fandom up like that for Yuletide?

I think it would be less annoying if hockey were more borderline, say 1500 fics and not 5000-something, considering it has a kink meme and a discussion meme as well.

Hockey is just too big. Most people were surprised/amused it made it into Yuletide. The problem with the team division is that it's very rare for someone to only write for those smaller fandoms; usually they're also fans of a bigger pairing, and then constantly trying to get people to read/write fic for their less popular teams and pairings. But to my mind, that does not really fit the concept of a Yuletide fandom that needs fic and readers.

Okay, I'm sorry, but this is a dumb argument - if you applied that test to fans of any other fictional property, or, hell, any other type of RPF, it would sound ridiculous without even trying. Like, just because as a Bandom person I wrote some Panic fic, that didn't mean my interest in The Like wasn't genuine and they should be ineligible for Yuletide, even though they were also a Bandom band. The fact that Hockey all gets wrangled under one tag is a wrangling decision and not a reflection on the loyalties of people who write about the various teams.

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Now wrangling gets blamed for hockey RPF being one fandom? I've seen uncountably many comments saying the Yuletide split of hockey RPF into teams is artificial and wrangling's fault too.

The problem with the team division is that it's very rare for someone to only write for those smaller fandoms; usually they're also fans of a bigger pairing, and then constantly trying to get people to read/write fic for their less popular teams and pairings.

I don't see how the question of who writes for a canon/pairing/team/whatever has any bearing whatsoever on whether or not it's defined as rare. That makes no sense.

I think breaking hockey (and other sports) into teams makes sense because there's no reason for fans of one team to know anything about another team. The game is the same, but the canon knowledge is almost entirely separate, in terms of character dynamics and so on. Honestly, it's kind of close in spirit to Marvel or DC fandom, in that just because you're familiar with one corner of the universe is no guarantee that you have familiarity or experience with another corner of the universe.

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