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DA

This is really hilarious. If it's helping the fic and most people understandably take kudos as a sign that someone liked the fic, how is it an asshole move? Unless AYRT also leaves a comment saying "this fic sucked and the kudos I'm giving you is just a sign to myself that I didn't like it!" how would anyone but AYRT know what they really mean?

ayrt

It's an asshole move because: Let's say coalie who is using the kudos as anti-kudos has the nick WeAllHaveOne. Let's say I like WeAllHaveOne's fic and respect them as a writer. Then I write a fic, and WeAllHaveOne gives it a kudos. Yay, I'm happy, because WeAllHaveOne liked my fic! But they didn't, really: that deception is a dick move, IMHO.

Jesus, you're stupid.

na

it could ruin their "rep" tbh lmao

i don't claim to understand it but there are people who cmd+f to search kudos for people they 'trust'. that person kudosing a fic is their lowkey rec that the fic is good to read.

have that happen enough times on the antirecs and weallhaveone is known for having horrible taste.

nayrt

i don't claim to understand it but there are people who cmd+f to search kudos for people they 'trust'

If you understand why some people sort by kudos, this shouldn't be difficult? Someone whose name you [general] see repeatedly in the kudos lists of fic you like, and never in the kudos lists of fic you don't like, has got to be at least as good a predictor as any numerical ratio. If you [general] use the overall kudos count as a barometer for how likely you are to enjoy a fic, you're assuming the averaged-out taste of everyone reading in your fandom/ship/etc. matches yours. If you use the kudos of specific people you chose, you're assuming the taste of people you picked matches yours - you presumably picked these people because you aligned in the past, so the chance their kudos would be an accurate marker is higher.

I occasionally skim the kudos list on longfic in some fandoms. It works great for me.

* If you understand why some people sort by total kudos

coalie i do literally understand it and how it is done. i was saying that i don't understand why people would do it because i wouldn't do it myself.

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So after making a big stink about how people should kudos because of sorting by kudos count, yada yada yada, you're now saying that you'd rather not have the kudos because of ~deception~ even though you would never even know that you've been deceived?

Wow, not what I said AT ALL. I said I thought it was an asshole move but I was PLEASED that it's actually boosting the rankings of one person's disliked fics. Reading comprehension much?

Except that's exactly what you said. You said it's an asshole move because OH NO DECEPTION. Except that the person getting the kudos would never know that they were being deceived and it would have literally no impact on them except positively. So please, tell me again how it's an asshole move to do something helpful for someone that would make them happy.

NA

It's not helpful if it comes from a bad place? The end result is helpful though which is what makes it great. They're cutting their nose to spite their face.

What they're doing is like someone cutting in line at the supermarket to be an asshole. The person who they cut in front of ends up being the 1 millionth customer and gets free groceries for life.

You can think someone is being a douchbag and rocognize them as such while still be pleased at the positive end result.

How on earth is it not helpful? The author doesn't know it's coming from a bad place. The readers browsing through the archive don't know it's coming from a bad place. The readers who sort the archive by kudos don't know it's coming from a bad place. It's not like your analogy at all because someone would know that a person had cut in front of them in line, even if they were happy that it happened a few minutes later. But in this case, literally no one but the OP would know that they're leaving kudos negatively.

What it really would be like is if the person in the front of the line at a supermarket thought "that guy behind me is really ugly. I'm going to pay for his groceries."

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