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It's always coalest before the dawn

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What's hypocritical is talking about how horrible Nazis are and then requesting a bunch of problematic Japanese fandoms like Attack on Titan and Hetalia (not that they are Yuletide eligible, but that's almost worse because they are so large) because they care, or never bothered to find out about the horrors that happened to Korea, China, and much of SE Asia perpetrated by the Japanese. I mean, the stuff that went on in Korea is absolutely appalling, and based on the belief that the Japanese were racially superior to them. So yeah, it can be hypocritical.

Ugh, phone typing... I meant "..because they don't care..."

You know that Hetalia fandom has reams of darkfic exploring the terrible things countries had gotten up to historically right?

Hetalia is loaded with nationalist Japanese propaganda, and have you seen it's portrayal of Korea? No. Just no. Read some fucking history outside of America/Europe for a change.

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So we have to give people who salivate (Remember their “ovaries go boom” tag) over literal Nazis the benefit of the doubt because other canons and fandoms are problematic? Is that what you’re saying? Because other canons are bad and people like those canons, we can’t draw the line at actual, literal Nazis?

I just meant drawing the line at Nazis and ignoring other shit that essentially had the same affect during the same time period to countries and people not in Europe.

we're talking about a real participant who has really nominated nazi RPF and really gets off on pictures of nazi hands, and when her nazi RPF got rejected, she continues to nominate fictionalized versions of nazis.

if anyone knows of another real participant who has behaved similarly wrt other recent atrocities, please do speak up. otherwise you're derailing into hypotheticals. we're not "ignoring other shit" in yuletide if nobody's actually doing it in yuletide.

Yes, I know. I didn't say it was THIS exchange. I was just pointing out what would be hypocritical. That was it.

We are discussing Yuletide. This hypothetical has no place here and you are derailing.

When someone signs up for Yuletide with a blog full of posts jerking it over real-life Imperial Japanese war criminals, we can ~finger wag~ at them too.

What about fandoms written by Japanese Nationalists? Which is essentially the same as White nationalists who perpetuate Nazi ideology. No one is going to nominate a Japanese War criminal because they don't know any of them. I'm referring to modern people, writing stuff that people blindly consume with no thought to what the purpose is, and what it might be doing.

I see what you mean, and it's probably off topic, but I just wanted to point out that there CAN be hypocrisy. That was all I was referring to with my original statement.

If you think everyone on coal is a white weeaboo you have another thing coming, sweetie.

Onoes, problematic canons!! Totally the same thing as real-life Nazis (or their allies)!

You're whacked.

I'm not referring to the canons, but the people who created them. They are Japanese Nationalists who glorify the past, and write shit that perpetuates those ideas of Japanese superiority over their neighbors and how they were victims because the west made them do it.

Then Japanaphiles get butthurt when you mention this shit, and then say things like, "get over it."

You wouldn't say that to a Holocaust survivor. We don't allow terrible people in rpf, or white suprematist shit, so why is it any different?

Because if we started disqualifying canons because of creators being assholes we'd have nothing to write about.

I'm not referring to "assholes." I'm referring writers who perpetuate nationalist and racial supremacy ideology.

Give us a list of RPF fandoms with Japanese Nationalists and then next year we’ll contest their nomming like we did with Nazi RPF.

Whining in the wind vaguely about fandoms that can’t even be in the tagset does nothing but make you look like a wanker.

Doesn't change the fact that if we go into morally abhorrent beliefs (much less actions) held by creators we'd be here all day.

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it’s japanophile

1- A whole country and all their citizens are not to blame for the shit specific governments chose to do. Particulaly not the people who weren't voting/not even born when those thigs happened (like I imagine whoever writes AoT is).

2- But they're not stanning actual war criminals. They're writing for fictional characters that mya have a similarity for RL stuff, but are not the same.

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