yuletide_coal | Coalclaw Adventures

Oh my god, people are really going over board this year trying to suss out the true hidden meaning of reaction from their recipient, but this really is the absolute stupidest theory yet.

The only reason not to hit kudos is because you don't want to. No one knows your hidden code behind why you do or don't kudos, only that A has 10 and B has 9. That means 1 more person liked A than they did B. Same characters, same tags? They'll probably click A to read first.

I kudos without commenting on bad fics to remind myself not to reread them later.

Firstly, congratulations for spreading paranoia. Secondly, a kudos is right at the bottom of a fic and indicated nowhere else - do you really scroll to the bottom every time to check for your username in the kudos list or...? (genuinely curious)

'End' key. Promising summary and tags? Quick check to see if this fic has disappointed me before. It's easy, it's unobtrusive, it carries from device to device even if I'm logged out, and the author never knows.

I'm really pleased about the twist here that you're basically using the kudos button as an anti-kudos button (an asshole move), but it's having the unwanted effect of helping the fics you don't like potentially rise to the top.

DA

This is really hilarious. If it's helping the fic and most people understandably take kudos as a sign that someone liked the fic, how is it an asshole move? Unless AYRT also leaves a comment saying "this fic sucked and the kudos I'm giving you is just a sign to myself that I didn't like it!" how would anyone but AYRT know what they really mean?

ayrt

It's an asshole move because: Let's say coalie who is using the kudos as anti-kudos has the nick WeAllHaveOne. Let's say I like WeAllHaveOne's fic and respect them as a writer. Then I write a fic, and WeAllHaveOne gives it a kudos. Yay, I'm happy, because WeAllHaveOne liked my fic! But they didn't, really: that deception is a dick move, IMHO.

Jesus, you're stupid.

na

it could ruin their "rep" tbh lmao

i don't claim to understand it but there are people who cmd+f to search kudos for people they 'trust'. that person kudosing a fic is their lowkey rec that the fic is good to read.

have that happen enough times on the antirecs and weallhaveone is known for having horrible taste.

nayrt

i don't claim to understand it but there are people who cmd+f to search kudos for people they 'trust'

If you understand why some people sort by kudos, this shouldn't be difficult? Someone whose name you [general] see repeatedly in the kudos lists of fic you like, and never in the kudos lists of fic you don't like, has got to be at least as good a predictor as any numerical ratio. If you [general] use the overall kudos count as a barometer for how likely you are to enjoy a fic, you're assuming the averaged-out taste of everyone reading in your fandom/ship/etc. matches yours. If you use the kudos of specific people you chose, you're assuming the taste of people you picked matches yours - you presumably picked these people because you aligned in the past, so the chance their kudos would be an accurate marker is higher.

I occasionally skim the kudos list on longfic in some fandoms. It works great for me.

* If you understand why some people sort by total kudos

coalie i do literally understand it and how it is done. i was saying that i don't understand why people would do it because i wouldn't do it myself.

+1

So after making a big stink about how people should kudos because of sorting by kudos count, yada yada yada, you're now saying that you'd rather not have the kudos because of ~deception~ even though you would never even know that you've been deceived?

Wow, not what I said AT ALL. I said I thought it was an asshole move but I was PLEASED that it's actually boosting the rankings of one person's disliked fics. Reading comprehension much?

Except that's exactly what you said. You said it's an asshole move because OH NO DECEPTION. Except that the person getting the kudos would never know that they were being deceived and it would have literally no impact on them except positively. So please, tell me again how it's an asshole move to do something helpful for someone that would make them happy.

NA

It's not helpful if it comes from a bad place? The end result is helpful though which is what makes it great. They're cutting their nose to spite their face.

What they're doing is like someone cutting in line at the supermarket to be an asshole. The person who they cut in front of ends up being the 1 millionth customer and gets free groceries for life.

You can think someone is being a douchbag and rocognize them as such while still be pleased at the positive end result.

How on earth is it not helpful? The author doesn't know it's coming from a bad place. The readers browsing through the archive don't know it's coming from a bad place. The readers who sort the archive by kudos don't know it's coming from a bad place. It's not like your analogy at all because someone would know that a person had cut in front of them in line, even if they were happy that it happened a few minutes later. But in this case, literally no one but the OP would know that they're leaving kudos negatively.

What it really would be like is if the person in the front of the line at a supermarket thought "that guy behind me is really ugly. I'm going to pay for his groceries."

The only reason not to hit kudos is because you don't want to.

Or the various other reasons listed in this thread.

They'll probably click A to read first.

Or they're read the summaries and decide which one looks more interesting. Or they'll go in alphabetical order. Or they'll go in chronological order. Or (if we're talking non-Yuletide time) they'll go with an author they already know. Or they'll click at random.

I'm honestly not sure if you might be trolling right now, because you genuinely sound like an idiot.

The most common way I have seen people say they get into a new fandom is sorting by the fandom/pairing/tag by length or kudos, and then they look at tags, then summary, then author. You scroll past the stuff you don't care for. If they really want to then they can read everything. Otherwise at a certain wordcount or kudos point they stop and start reading all new fics as they are posted.

Sorry that it's different from you but that doesn't make it trolling or wrong? Everyone does have to have some starting point. Alphabetical, chronological, kudos, bookmarks, author: the difference is that kudos (and bookmarks) are something that the reader can help or harm a fic out with and since readers are a sliver more objective than the author (and they can't game the system by making their username be 12 and naming their fic Aaaaaamazing), people use kudos/bookmarks as their first sorting method before doing their own mental filtering as they scroll.

Sorry that it's different from you but that doesn't make it trolling or wrong?

Sure it doesn't. Neither does not leaving kudos after you've commented make you wrong just because some people use kudos differently than you do. That's what you can't seem to understand here.

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