Rudolph the red-nosed dentist

[heavensqueen]

Writing post : http://yuletide-coal.dreamwidth.org/6728.html

Other useful links:
2016 Timeline : https://yuletide-admin.dreamwidth.org/28822.html
Collection: http://archiveofourown.org/collections/yuletide2016

 

Letters post: http://yuletide.livejournal.com/1274815.html
Letters DB: http://www.dennis-sellers.com/yuletide/index.html
Treat spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Bv9vJXykH9BUgn6q5DIBliBgMWzlVpXiB9d1lNoub4/edit?usp=sharing

Yuleporn: http://yuletide.livejournal.com/1276881.html
Crueltide: http://yuletide.livejournal.com/1274987.html
Two for One: http://yuletide.livejournal.com/1278973.html

Comments

Re: The so-called solution to AO3's tag policy

[(Anonymous)]

Can somebody explain to me in small words the actual reasoning behind this policy? Why are they deliberately holding back on doing this until after the fics are revealed? What difference does it make and/or why is it better from AO3's POV to do it this way? Is there a bug with wrangling tags on unrevealed fics or something? (And if so, why has it never been a problem to do it pre-reveals in any previous Yuletide?)

Re: The so-called solution to AO3's tag policy

[(Anonymous)]

http://yuletide-coal.dreamwidth.org/7582.html?thread=27184542#cmt27184542

I got a similar explanation when I was running an exchange previously this year. I have seen some vague mentions of a bug since then, but that wasn't mentioned AT ALL by the support people I talked to... and there were like three or four of them, so if it were true I'd think at least one of them would've mentioned it.

Re: The so-called solution to AO3's tag policy

[(Anonymous)]

I'm just confused why, if there's supposed to be a bug or a problem, it apparently didn't exist or wasn't considered significant back during any of the previous AO3 Yuletides when things got canonized pre-reveals with no issue. Has the code changed or just policy?

Re: The so-called solution to AO3's tag policy

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

It sounds like typical OTW thinking. Someone somewhere made an arbitrary decision, and rather than reconsider whether that first decision was good or bad, the org is now dedicated to sticking by the original call and any voice against doing so is considered disloyal to the org itself. If you understand this is the thinking that got AO3 into the unwieldy clunky coding mess it is today, everything about the archive suddenly makes perfect sense.

Re: The so-called solution to AO3's tag policy

[(Anonymous)]

Sadly all too true. It's the main reason why I hate that AO3 has become the main fanfic archive out there, even used for YT.

Re: The so-called solution to AO3's tag policy

[(Anonymous)]

Wat. AO3 was literally made for YT.

Re: The so-called solution to AO3's tag policy

[(Anonymous)]

Sh! We are supposed to pretend no one knows that!

Re: The so-called solution to AO3's tag policy

[(Anonymous)]

And Naomi Novik is Astolat

Re: The so-called solution to AO3's tag policy

[(Anonymous)]

Wait, Ben is Glory?

Re: The so-called solution to AO3's tag policy

[(Anonymous)]

da

I bet it's just policy. The bug seems to be a lie, constructed because they got too much initial backlash from people like the coalies who mentioned contacting support.

Re: The so-called solution to AO3's tag policy

[(Anonymous)]

The bug is not a lie. I have experienced it myself as a tag wrangler.

It's entirely possible, even likely, it's being mostly used as an excuse to prop up an arbitrary policy in this context, but the bug does exist, and it's really hard to pin down.

Re: The so-called solution to AO3's tag policy

[(Anonymous)]

The bug is not a lie, assuming it's the one I'm thinking of. It's probably the reindexing problem that was discussed on FFA a couple weeks ago:

http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/230540.html?thread=1280682636#cmt1280682636

It's been a known bug for years with no progress made, according to the writeup in AO3's public bug-tracking site:

https://otwarchive.atlassian.net/browse/AO3-3830

So wranglers are stuck with workarounds trying to compensate. And the compensation is a lot harder if the bug strikes when works are unrevealed.

Re: The so-called solution to AO3's tag policy

[(Anonymous)]

Small words version:
-Wranglers can't see the unrevealed fics and that makes it hard to know what things are/where they should go, especially for small obscure fandoms.
-There is a bug. I don't know how long it has been a known bug. It can make fics vanish and it is a pain to get them back (if its possible, I'm not 100% sure, but I think so).

-only wranglers with the right training are supposed to canonize fandom tags. Wranglers who offer in here or other back channels could potentially get caught/called out for it if someone notices. Fair warning.

-it should get sorted out very quickly on reveals day, and there will also be a list posted.

-relax.