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Re: Unpopular Opinions About Changing Things

[(Anonymous)]

I'm pretty sure that the whole of the 19th Century (which was nominated and got through) still dwarves 'every single Chinese actor since the dawn of time' in size.

Re: Unpopular Opinions About Changing Things

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think so. Like I told the other anon, that would include TV, stage, and movie actors since China came to be like 4000 years ago. It could even mean my cousin who was in a play in Beijing back when he was 6. He is Chinese and also had been an actor.

Just because it's a small fandom compared to how many people stan UK actors doesn't mean that was a good way to name the fandom. "UK Actor RPF" should absolutely be banned too.

It was shitty of the mods not to let them rename it though, I agree on that. I wonder if they had tried to do it privately it would have worked? Mods probably don't want to make exceptions for everyone but that could have been a backdoor solution.

Re: Unpopular Opinions About Changing Things

[(Anonymous)]

By the same logic 19th Century RPF covers every single human being who ever lived at some point in the 19th Century, from people who died in the beginning of it to people who were born toward its end. That's an unimaginably large amount of people, much larger I suspect than even your definition of Chinese Actor RPF.

Re: Unpopular Opinions About Changing Things

[(Anonymous)]

It's super huge, I agree. But it has a set beginning and end point and some confines. Does Chinese actor RPF mean movie or tv or stage? When does it start? When does it end? The name is too vague. You can't do "[blank] Actor RPF" for any other country. You have to be specific about which show or movie you mean, when doing them. It's not fair and slightly disrespectful to just lump all Chinese actors since the dawn of time into once big field as if they aren't as specific to their adjacent canons as "Captain American RPF" or "Star Trek: TOS RPF"

The requestor said they knew of a way to phrase it better. The mods should have let them rename but "Chinese Actor RPF" is nebulous. I wouldn't want "Canadian Actor RPF" in either. Even "19th CE Chinese Actor RPF" is better. You could even sneak in Chinese actors into the 19th CE category if they lived then and they qualify.

Re: Unpopular Opinions About Changing Things

[(Anonymous)]

Ok, Morbane

Re: Unpopular Opinions About Changing Things

[(Anonymous)]

LOL Am I wrong?

The mods fucked up by not letting them rename but I think we all would have poked the nominator and told them to come up with something besides "Chinese Actor RPF" if we knew that was what they were going with. It's really clear by looking at all the other RPF that you need just a bare minimum more specificity. I bet even "Guangzhou Actor RPF" might have faired better.

Re: Unpopular Opinions About Changing Things

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, this is some concern trolling alright. "Disrespectful, nebulous", LMAO.

The requestor said they knew of a way to phrase it better.

No they didn't. They said that they could artificially create a new category centered around a movie even though it wouldn't really suit their needs.

Re: Unpopular Opinions About Changing Things

[(Anonymous)]

da

It could even mean my cousin who was in a play in Beijing back when he was 6. He is Chinese and also had been an actor.

Uh. Do you count everyone who has ever put a letter to paper when you count Literary X RPF or count yourself in 21st CE Politics RPF (assuming you aren't what the vast majority of people call a politician)? Words have commonly agreed upon meanings, and I bet Actor RPF is pretty resoundingly agreed upon to not include stage actors from 4000 years ago.

Re: Unpopular Opinions About Changing Things

[(Anonymous)]

Kind of? You could technically nominate your local mayor to 21st CE Politics RPF, could you not? Or the mayor nominee. That's why you get specific, so that only the people you care about can be in that category. If you make it broad so that two people who probably wouldn't meet can interact (Cameron and B.Clinton smoking a joint for the lulz) then you open it to someone slipping in their crazy mayoral nominee.

My cousin was in a big Beijing play. I could nominate him based on "Chinese Actor RPF" but I can't get him into "The Empress of China RPF".

I'm not trying to play devils advocate or anything here. I'm just saying that being specific and having a couple parameters in the title is what gets something accepted and the mods have been clear about that. They apply to all other RPF fields so rejecting "Chinese Actor RPF" was reasonable. The rules make it pretty clear that it wouldn't fly. Not doing a simple rename was dickish and unreasonably petty.

Re: Unpopular Opinions About Changing Things

[(Anonymous)]

I'm just saying that being specific and having a couple parameters in the title is what gets something accepted and the mods have been clear about that.

12th, 13th, 18th or 19th Century RPF is not specific. Stop lying.

Re: Unpopular Opinions About Changing Things

[(Anonymous)]

...It is. It means you only get people from the 12 or 13 or 18th or 19th CE in that field.

In Chinese Actor RPF, is it only people born in China of Chinese decent who are also actors? Do Chinese people from other countries who are actors count? Is it just people who are in movies/tv made in China and ethnicity doesn't count? So non-Chinese people who are in a Chinese made movie count? Those are all things to ask on top of the time period thing and if it includes tv vs. movie vs. stage.

For stupid 12th CE RPF it literally goes: "Did they live during this time? Yes? OK they're in." That's specificity that you don't get with "[Country] Actor RPF".

Stop lying.

LOL.

Re: Unpopular Opinions About Changing Things

[(Anonymous)]

Classical Music RPF is in. Gymnastics RPF is in. Cricket RPF is in. British Royalty RPF is in. All these could have really broad interpretations as well.

Re: Unpopular Opinions About Changing Things

[(Anonymous)]

Are they a classical musician? They're in. If not, they're out.
Do they do gymnastics? They're in. If not, they're out.
Do they play cricket? They're in. If not, they're out.
Are they UK royalty? They're in. If not, they're out.

For Chinese Actor RPF, what is the defining factor? That they're of Chinese decent? That they act in China? That they're only in movies? That they only do tv? Do you get any of that from the name? If it doesn't matter, then you could nominate Jackie Chan and Nic Cage and both would be alright. They both qualify as being in.

Would "American Actor RPF" be okay with you? If it would then that's a different conversation, but in the current state where you have to break up actor RPF by stage/movie/tv show I don't see how Chinese Actor RPF fits the bill.

Re: Unpopular Opinions About Changing Things

[(Anonymous)]

This is true. If all those are legit, then I don't think it is obvious that Chinese actor RPF is out. Look at the possible time range for British Royalty RPF! And classical music RPF as well. That spans many countries, and a huge time range, and could apply to composers and musicians.

Re: Unpopular Opinions About Changing Things

[(Anonymous)]

I'm pretty sure they didn't let them rename it because they were pissed that it said right in the rules "we won't accept [country] actor rpf" and the person did it anyway, so they made an example of them. Same situation with the Pratchett fuck up. The rule said "nominate the subsets individually if verse is over 1000" but they nominated the whole verse, so they got rejected.

It's absolutely true they could have made an exception for an honest mistake in both cases, but like I said, I think they were pissed and looking to make an example.

Re: Unpopular Opinions About Changing Things

[(Anonymous)]

You're making the mods sound like complete assholes.

Re: Unpopular Opinions About Changing Things

[(Anonymous)]

morbane-sama is not an asshole :(

she's a delicate flower of love and it's the fault of the other mods are assholes and force her into harsh situations. never blame morbane-sama!

Re: Unpopular Opinions About Changing Things

[(Anonymous)]

Shouldn't she be sempai, since she has noticed _coal in the past?

Re: Unpopular Opinions About Changing Things

[(Anonymous)]

Morbane is also not a mod, but a tag mod, isn't she?

Re: Unpopular Opinions About Changing Things

[(Anonymous)]

They are. To a lot of fandoms.

Re: Unpopular Opinions About Changing Things

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I actually don't think I am. I think they really were frustrated at having people make the same old mistakes over and over, and they wanted to do something hard and fast to make people take notice that they were serious. The Pratchett mistake won't happen again, the way it got wanked over. The RPF one? Maybe.

Re: Unpopular Opinions About Changing Things

[(Anonymous)]

Noted.


Sorry, flashback.

Re: Unpopular Opinions About Changing Things

[(Anonymous)]

Because they are.

Re: Unpopular Opinions About Changing Things

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Yeah I agree. Because it was public they had to make an example and couldn't help them out because then everyone would be asking for renames and taking up their time. I think maybe if they had emailed rather than commenting they might have given themselves an out to be helped.

It's still a dick move tho. I understand why "[Country] Actor RPF" is too broad (because it is) and why they didn't do the rename (because it was a dumb mistake and anyone who knows the rules would have told them to change before noms closed), but I still think it's dumb to bitterly not help out a true small fandom.

Re: Unpopular Opinions About Changing Things

[(Anonymous)]

If the Chinese actors are working in the 19th century, wouldn't they also be nommable under 19th Century CE RPF?