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Re: ars_belli

[(Anonymous)]

Giving TERFs and white supremacists a platform for their hateful rhetoric on a discussion community is kinda worse than letting them into fic exchanges, IMO.

Re: ars_belli

[(Anonymous)]

TERFs and white supremacists have nothing in common.

Re: ars_belli

[(Anonymous)]

They both need to be permanently eradicated from society.

Re: ars_belli

[(Anonymous)]

In short, you want to eradicate most feminists from most countries, since feminism in most countries outside the West is more in line with what the West calls "radical feminism". I'm sure that will be very beneficial for women.

Re: ars_belli

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, I Think It Is YOU Who Are the Bigot wank, my least favorite.

Re: ars_belli

[(Anonymous)]

?

Re: ars_belli

[(Anonymous)]

How about we eradicate the ideologies and acceptance of them rather than advocating for killing a bunch of die to their beliefs.

Re: ars_belli

[(Anonymous)]

Because it doesn't satisfy the autoritarian urges of those whose immediate response is ęither kill yourself or die.

Re: ars_belli

[(Anonymous)]

What does an e with a cedille sound like?

Re: ars_belli

[(Anonymous)]

ę? A little like eh-w.

Re: ars_belli

[(Anonymous)]

Or perhaps eh-woo!

Re: ars_belli

[(Anonymous)]

Oh boy, I love it when people start talking about eradicating their opponents!

Re: ars_belli

[(Anonymous)]

MTE. I haven't met with this much in my country's discourse (maybe far-right is up to such stuff, but I'm not in such circles) but we have in very much living memory political repression. I come across this often online from both leftists and rightists and I think they are mostly from countries where neither they nor their parents ever had the risk of state assaults on political disagreement. It reads like a caricature of the young radical.

Re: ars_belli

[(Anonymous)]

The tactic of wishing death upon anybody who disagrees with you wouldn't have passed in my school debate group. It certainly shouldn't be acceptable in a discussion among adults. If you can't make a civil on-topic contribution, you had best keep out of it altogether.

Re: ars_belli

[(Anonymous)]

FFS. We're not talking about political opponents. We're talking about people whose aim is to destroy minority groups. You can't sit down at a table with them and change their minds over coffee. Or you could, I don't know, ban their nominations at Yuletide and pat yourselves on the back because that'll surely show them. This is peak coal. Let's ban Nazi RPF, but God forbid we hurt actual Nazis.

Re: ars_belli

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

We are in fact talking about, at best, political opponents. (You know, if you don't subscribe to the "women who won't sleep with me are TERFs" thing - but if you don't, please push back against that in your community, don't just deny it when women call it out.) I know that on the internet no one knows you're a dog, but I hope you'll believe me when I say that I'm nb and most of my family was wiped out by the Nazis and I find it really racist and insulting to suggest that these cries of "feminazi!" are any more legit now than they were when Rush Limbaugh came up with them.

Re: ars_belli

[(Anonymous)]

DA

+1

The issue of what criteria makes someone a man or a woman or by what criteria and into what categories we classify people in society are very much political questions. It's everybody's right to argue for their own belief and to try to make it as applied as possible, but neither claiming that this should be done on the basis of sex or on the basis of gender are neutral statements. TWAW is no more of a neutral objective statement than TWAM.

Re: ars_belli

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

No, sorry, actual Nazis and actual TERFs aren't "political opponents", they are hate groups. And honestly, I don't need your background, real or not, to agree with you that calling people Nazis who aren't Nazis and calling people TERFs who aren't TERFs is despicable. That's not the point. We're talking about people who deny the existence or the right of existence of minority groups, not women who won't have sex with any random person for any random reason.

Re: ars_belli

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

We're talking about people who deny the existence or the right of existence of minority groups

This bullshit is exactly why I'm calling the position you're staking out racist. Dang, I wish the only problem with Nazis was that they didn't think I existed!

Re: ars_belli

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

Who is denying existence? At most what is being denied is a certain definition or the "membership of a group". If we must stick with this tedious trans wank, what is being denied is not that people who are trans exist as human beings, but their claim to self-definition.

If you have never seen arguments that people (overwhelmingly usually targetted at women) should "re-examine their genital preferences", I envy you. I certainly wish I hadn't.

Re: ars_belli

[(Anonymous)]

They're both bigots who insist on dragging their bigoted bullshit into every goddamn conversation.

Re: ars_belli

[(Anonymous)]

+1

WTF.

Re: ars_belli

[(Anonymous)]

Pretty sure both are transphobic af.

Re: ars_belli

[(Anonymous)]

It's like saying white supremacists and trans supporters are the same because they're both sexist af.

Re: ars_belli

[(Anonymous)]

+1

Huh, I wonder who else thinks that women are naturally weak and soft and that lesbianism needs to be cured.