I skimmed through the fic a bit, with all its "hum" and "hu" and... it's a joke, right? It's making fun of it all, right? Except then you read the comments and it seems like that's not the case at all O_o
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I thought it was a joke, but the comments are taking it seriously. Including AlexSeanchai who is completely devoid of a sense of humor, who not only liked it but promised to comment more, when she's usually a one word "nice" or "thanks" type.
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It is probably the funniest thing I've read in Yuletide so far. I am questioning the lack of bad faith statement though. AlexSeanchai is pretty clear that they actually believe Athena is real and asks for respect for that belief.
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And is it disrespectful? I mean...I'm trying to think how someone who doesn't share that belief could fill the prompt to the letter in any other way, frankly.
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I think it's not come across as disrespectful to AlexSeanchai, but that's partly because I doubt they see anything ludicrous in the fic. Athena probably comes off best in it, so you might be right about the lack of disrespect.
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I'm expecting the author to be a sock or lol_meme's account. This fill is so over the top that it's fun for people to laugh at and think it's making fun of all the caricatures therein and then you get the added 'bonus' of laughing at AS who loves it all unironically and ate it up with a spoon. If it's written by either then I think the point is for everyone else to giggle while AS is standing on the other side of the line shouting "preach!!" and then we laugh at them too.
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I don't know - I'd say writing a story that can be appreciated on two different levels in that way is a sign of fantastic writing. Laughing at someone enjoying their gift in an un-ironic way, when they got exactly what they asked for, seems like a dick move to me.
But I suppose that's what coal is for: letting our inner assholes out to play in an environment where no one needs to see it unless they opted-in to see the bitter, bitchy, dark side of human nature.
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It's a very clunky fic, even leaving aside the Athena bits. Like, the scenes sound like they were written independently and sort of half-stitched together later; the continuity's terrible. And they just keep busting out weird lines, like the digeridoo ones.
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AS is genderqueer, uses they/their pronouns, is this much of a wet blanket with SOCIAL JUSTICE written all over them, is a pagan who believes in the Greek set of gods, is all about SOCIAL JUSTICE and the list goes on. I haven't read the fic beyond the snippets posted here but it reads entirely as something AS wants wholeheartedly. The fic sounds crazy but it suits AS to a tee.
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Which part of someone being a genderqueer pagan who cares about social justice do you find embarrassing? Or is it just that all three at once is a bridge too far?
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My opinion is that if it's a part of your cultural history than it's fine. If you aren't the ethnicity/nationality for whatever your pagan religion of choice, then it is tryhard and slightly problematic, esp since people tend to choose the "cool" religions like GrecoRoman or Norse mythology and never idk African or Southeast Asian gods and hmm isn't that telling. It goes double when they pick the cool gods when claiming to care about SJ or intersectionality but are never critical about why they picked what they picked.
AS calls herself an /atheist pagan/ though, which makes her both of those things and an idiot.
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(Anonymous) 2015-12-30 04:07 am (UTC)(link)I skimmed through the fic a bit, with all its "hum" and "hu" and... it's a joke, right? It's making fun of it all, right? Except then you read the comments and it seems like that's not the case at all O_o
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(Anonymous) 2015-12-30 04:19 am (UTC)(link)I thought it was a joke, but the comments are taking it seriously. Including AlexSeanchai who is completely devoid of a sense of humor, who not only liked it but promised to comment more, when she's usually a one word "nice" or "thanks" type.
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(Anonymous) 2015-12-30 04:23 am (UTC)(link)*they not she
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(Anonymous) 2015-12-30 04:26 am (UTC)(link)Sorry, I completely forgot. http://archiveofourown.org/works/5463812
Letter link: http://alexseanchai.dreamwidth.org/1056253.html
More choice extracts:
"Gah!" Ngalyod made emphatic gestures at the caring universe. "Could one of Athena's family members manage not to be heteronormative?"
They'd signed the lease on the anniversary of the Hindenburg Exploding.
Ngalyod put some digeridoo music on the portable speakers. Nothing set the mood like Digeridoo.
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(Anonymous) 2015-12-30 04:30 am (UTC)(link)It is probably the funniest thing I've read in Yuletide so far. I am questioning the lack of bad faith statement though. AlexSeanchai is pretty clear that they actually believe Athena is real and asks for respect for that belief.
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(Anonymous) 2015-12-30 04:35 am (UTC)(link)I think it's not come across as disrespectful to AlexSeanchai, but that's partly because I doubt they see anything ludicrous in the fic. Athena probably comes off best in it, so you might be right about the lack of disrespect.
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(Anonymous) 2015-12-30 04:49 am (UTC)(link)I'm expecting the author to be a sock or lol_meme's account. This fill is so over the top that it's fun for people to laugh at and think it's making fun of all the caricatures therein and then you get the added 'bonus' of laughing at AS who loves it all unironically and ate it up with a spoon. If it's written by either then I think the point is for everyone else to giggle while AS is standing on the other side of the line shouting "preach!!" and then we laugh at them too.
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(Anonymous) 2015-12-30 09:06 am (UTC)(link)But I suppose that's what coal is for: letting our inner assholes out to play in an environment where no one needs to see it unless they opted-in to see the bitter, bitchy, dark side of human nature.
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(Anonymous) 2015-12-31 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)I just wish I'd thought of doing it.
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(Anonymous) 2015-12-30 08:56 am (UTC)(link)honestly the only thing that strikes me as odd is believing in Greek gods, but that's probably because I don't know much about paganism.
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(Anonymous) 2015-12-30 09:04 am (UTC)(link)My opinion is that if it's a part of your cultural history than it's fine. If you aren't the ethnicity/nationality for whatever your pagan religion of choice, then it is tryhard and slightly problematic, esp since people tend to choose the "cool" religions like GrecoRoman or Norse mythology and never idk African or Southeast Asian gods and hmm isn't that telling. It goes double when they pick the cool gods when claiming to care about SJ or intersectionality but are never critical about why they picked what they picked.
AS calls herself an /atheist pagan/ though, which makes her both of those things and an idiot.
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